War Room FAQ, revised

[PG_Duckboy]

Maybe it will be a friday gift for us........*Hoping*

[AJ the Ronin]

Hope lost.

[Reuben]

yeah, I really wish iBodger would have continued updating until War Room was actually out as well. It still has most of the models, but is behind on tier lists. And knowing that it won't update again doesn't make me want to get more tied to it :P

Yes, its certainly a hefty investment.

[azrael71]

...If it were that easy to get people to work for free, don't you think someone else would have thought of it first?

They have see Soviet Era Russia or even slavery.
'Joking' aside, this is a very strange model to use to develop software. I cannot really see why any company wanting to release a product with the exposure levels of war room, would even think about hooking up with a company using it.

I was hoping for a release today, but alas nothing.
Hopefully there will be an announcement today in regards a definitive release date.

[Kuwanger23]

So it's still not here eh? bah!

[PG_Sobek]

Is that an iBodger re-launch I see on the horizon?

You're assuming that whicken would even want to work on it again....

War Room = Vaporware.

It's still a bit too early to call it Vaporware.

[func]

You're assuming that whicken would even want to work on it again....

If war room fails i vote that we demand that they start paying whicken for his service he is part of why i started warmachine insted of warhammer 40k :-)

[Geekly]

It's the 18th of May. The window of "Mid-May" is nearly over. With all of the things that need to happen to release the software once it's "done" PP would know by now whether they're on track to release on the latest timeline. The fact that we haven't heard anything is disconcerting.

I feel for PP that they're at the mercy of third parties for delivery. Software development is hard, and they're catering to a vocal and demanding customer base. War Room has certainly been a difficult endeavor for them. But, it's their own fault that we have such high expectations. The quality of pretty much everything that PP puts out is one of the main reasons I took the plunge into Warmachine. War Room is being measured by the same ruler.

Putting the kibosh on iBodger hasn't helped the situation, but we don't know what motivated that decision. Third party tools are GOOD for a gaming system. The players get the tools without PP having to spend time and money on development. It's a win-win situation. PP is a sharp group that typically looks out for their players but this was a decision that seemed to go against their typical approach. A lot of folks, myself included, are frustrated and confused by the stance PP took on iBodger. Again, there must be a lot more behind that decision than we're privy to.

I would just like to know how the development is going. Today would be a fine day for a War Room release, by the way.

[mactac]

I'm just wondering about the twitter feed for TinkerHouse Games. They seem more concerned with the Diablo III release lately.

LOL
Should start tweeting them, @TinkerHouse Games 100% less D3 and 100% more warroom

[Navarp]

But, it's their own fault that we have such high expectations. The quality of pretty much everything that PP puts out is one of the main reasons I took the plunge into Warmachine. War Room is being measured by the same ruler.

I Know right, those idiots at PP keep putting out such awesome stuff that we are entitled to express righteous indignation about a piece of software being delayed.

As I said before PP is working with a contractor. And already working with contractors is a mixed bag. Obviously they are having problems with either said contractor, or Apple, or Amazon or some other third party.

I honestly feel bad for the people at PP. I only wish that they would give us a bit more information as to the release.

[morglum5780]

I'm just wondering about the twitter feed for TinkerHouse Games. They seem more concerned with the Diablo III release lately.

Ah well, War Room will hopefully release sometime soon. Or at least we will hear something from Privateer Press...either way, my curiosity will be sated.

Indeed. The ironic thing is, Blizzard learned long ago not to promise dates on things they cant deliver on. Thinkhouse and PP apparently have not.

[CHUD]

"I felt a disturbance...as if a small, cute kitten mewed softly and was suddenly silenced....."

STOP THE INSANITY FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS CUTE & CUDDLEY!!!!!!

[PG_Sobek]

I'm not so concerned with the Delays as I am with how much of this going forward may or may not be done in house. Is PP going to be dependent on Tinkerhouse to make any additions to the app, such as new cards or tier lists? If they aren't going to be able to update the app themselves, what will happen if Tinkerhouse goes under? Hopefully the contract has PP getting a full copy of the source code when the product is delivered, so that they won't be stuck should something happen to Tinkerhouse.

[wazatdingder]

I now fear this will go the way of Armies/Enemies of the Imperium. For those who don't know, this was GWs "Official" list builder. Support started of bad and went to nothing quickly, and it wasn't even that great as a list builder.

I think it was more the "official" Jumping of the Shark for GW becoming $W.

[KhisanthMagus]

I'm not so concerned with the Delays as I am with how much of this going forward may or may not be done in house. Is PP going to be dependent on Tinkerhouse to make any additions to the app, such as new cards or tier lists? If they aren't going to be able to update the app themselves, what will happen if Tinkerhouse goes under? Hopefully the contract has PP getting a full copy of the source code when the product is delivered, so that they won't be stuck should something happen to Tinkerhouse.

I think the assumption everyone has had is that there is not going to be ongoing development on Tinkerhouse's part, as this explains a great deal why they are implementing theme forces the way they are: Some theme forces required actual coding in iBodger, and it is unlikely it would be any different for Warroom, and if there was no contract for ongoing development there is no way that this coding could be done. Most likely it is being built in a way that PP can just drop additional cards into the app as needed.

[Blighted Tyrant]

You're assuming that whicken would even want to work on it again....

I am. However if War room pans out to be a fail of titanic proportions then in there position, I'd be on the phone to Whicken like a shot.

[morglum5780]

I think it was more the "official" Jumping of the Shark for GW becoming $W.

you mean when they started making bigger and bigger models and charging more and more for them and coupled that with expansions focusing on playing larger games?

Also, the $ thing only works with Ss (ie M$). you cant just stick it anywhere.

[PG_LunarSol]

yeah, I really wish iBodger would have continued updating until War Room was actually out as well. It still has most of the models, but is behind on tier lists. And knowing that it won't update again doesn't make me want to get more tied to it :P

The thing I think people continually take for granted is just how much time and effort whicken put into keeping iBodger up to date, particularly as theme forces kept finding new ways to break the rules of list building. Putting that effort in for the few theme forces that have been released since the War Room announcement just so the app is up to date until the very second its replaced would be time and effort I'm sure whicken would rather put towards something new.

[PG_LunarSol]

yeah, I really wish iBodger would have continued updating until War Room was actually out as well. It still has most of the models, but is behind on tier lists. And knowing that it won't update again doesn't make me want to get more tied to it :P

The thing I think people continually take for granted is just how much time and effort whicken put into keeping iBodger up to date, particularly as theme forces kept finding new ways to break the rules of list building. Putting that effort in for the few theme forces that have been released since the War Room announcement just so the app is up to date until the very second its replaced would be time and effort I'm sure whicken would rather put towards something new.

[blitzmonkey]

I know I'll mirror some of what others have said, buy my biggest problem is the continual date changes. I'd rather have a "it'll be ready when it's ready" then a constant pushing of the yard stick.

[wazatdingder]

you mean when they started making bigger and bigger models and charging more and more for them and coupled that with expansions focusing on playing larger games?

Also, the $ thing only works with Ss (ie M$). you cant just stick it anywhere.

I do not think it is the size or cost that makes for bad bussiness. I think it is the lack of support that says your money was not well spent. So far, PP has proven that if you invest in them, you get your money's worth.

[WarpedWolf]

I think I remember reading somewhere that part of the reason Tinkerhouse got the job was that they're Hordes/Warmachine players themselves, or at least some of them. So I'm fairly sure they're not just going to hand it over to PP and walk away.

[edavis]

Clearly it is everyone but PP's fault. I mean Apple, Google? Privateer picked Tinkerhouse, Apple didn't, Google didn't, these are growing pains of a company entering into a new area of business. Now my personal thoughts on Tinkerhouse would be redacted so instead they will be omitted. I am not blaming Privateer because they are coming from a primarily print background, they are not a Dev shop. But stating the reason for delay was for the Ipad3, common there are enough of us techies out there to know that is a fine suite of clothes the emperor is wearing.

I schedule software release all the time. They do slip nature of the beast bugs are found, but blaming Apple/Google is kinda silly since you had already planned to use their distribution infrastructure. No one is making you write the app for that platform. Yes I know if you want to develop for Ipad you have to use their store. If you want use a electronic PP list manager you have to use War Room... Hmmmmmmmm

I Know right, those idiots at PP keep putting out such awesome stuff that we are entitled to express righteous indignation about a piece of software being delayed.

As I said before PP is working with a contractor. And already working with contractors is a mixed bag. Obviously they are having problems with either said contractor, or Apple, or Amazon or some other third party.

I honestly feel bad for the people at PP. I only wish that they would give us a bit more information as to the release.

[PPS_Simon]

This thread has gotten widely off topic.