Iron Lich Overseer

[drachenfels]

ok my local store finally got one in so i picked it up for my collection but now i gotta figure out how to actually use it at least semi effectively...

ok so for starters of what i have avaliable...
all warcasters
all warjacks + wraith engine (would prefer not to use deathjack as he is my 'no crutch' and i should atleast keep to that for a few months...)
most units (no blackbanes, black ogryn)
most solos (no bloat thralls)
(no proxies)

ok so then with all that stated... what should i run him with??
i have a couple ideas in mind for it...
Reaper - with marshal boost and a powerboost from a siren he can boost hit and damage on harpoon to drag things in to feed to anything else
Seether - focus efficient, free charge, already a single free focus
Harrower - charge with marshal, and allot of the accuracy buffs (dark guidance, crippeling grasp ect) dont need it to be in battlegroup.


so... with that said im leaning more towards the reaper... and since with that i think i will also go with Scaverous then since he doesnt need things in his battlegroup and TK can spin things for him and such.

so...

System: Warmachine
Faction: Cryx
Casters: 1/1
Points: 35/35
Lord Exhumator Scaverous (*5pts)
* Deathripper (4pts)
* Deathripper (4pts)
Bane Thralls (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts)
* Bane Thrall Officer & Standard (3pts)
The Withershadow Combine (5pts)
Bane Lord Tartarus (4pts)
Iron Lich Overseer (3pts)
* Reaper (7pts)
Warwitch Siren (2pts)


anyone else have any thoughts or success stories for the overseer?

[Sanctjud]

When I played Diablo 2, I had a Amazon named Overseer.
I went with a strafe build...was pretty cool, but I lost interest at level 70 something.

Oh, the ILO...It's 3 points for 1ish focus for the Reaper.
Yes, it sucks it touchs Scavvy's focus pool, but IMO, the Siren is enough for the reaper. Scavvy has 2 ways to help the reaper do its job (TK/Feast), Siren gives it a focus to boost which you need.

[Tèarion]

I think this are 10 wasted points, but as you said it is only semi... it might work. To gather souls the overseer should be played aggressively. Let us kow if it works.

[Mathai]

I dont get how giving your Reaper stealth and a psuedo focus point that isnt from your warcaster is a bad thing..

[Zedrenael]

I think that there are better ways to make use of the Ironlich. One of which is pairing him up with his own Seether. I like the fact that if you can keep him up with it he has stealth, free run/charge, one free focus, and one additional anything with Jack Marshal. The Reaper is also not a bad choice. I can see the effectiveness of the Overseer and I am happy that Cryx finally got one. There are just so many possibilities with him I am going insane!

[drachenfels]

Ok so i went through and reread the rules for marshals and taking things into consideration (a siren) im thinking the reaper would be the best option here (atleast with scaverous or other midline casters)
why?
if the overseer does get killed the jack goes autonomous. when that happens it can still activate but gets no benefits... that can be fine as it can still be powerboosted and still use that... it only cuts out a single focus.
After it activates the caster can walk 6 touch it from behind and take it into their battle group anyways.

so having the overseer with scaverous gives the bennefit of:

saving 1 focus
1 additional darkfire on feat turn
reach attack
stealth for the reaper
possibly more boosts for the reaper from darkfire collected souls

so for 5 points (with a siren) you are saving scaverous 2 focus a turn to either camp or cast with.

so going through im actually not as down on this lil guy as i thought i would be, or as i had been previously...
(although he is rather annoying to assemble... why couldnt they just make the entire tail 1 piece??

[Sanctjud]

I dont get how giving your Reaper stealth and a psuedo focus point that isnt from your warcaster is a bad thing..

It's not bad... it's the point cost associated with it, the reduced threat if you need the Reaper to have Stealth.
Siren is cheaper, if you roll the ILO and Reaper together with the siren you are talking about 12 points now...

I think that there are better ways to make use of the Ironlich. One of which is pairing him up with his own Seether. I like the fact that if you can keep him up with it he has stealth, free run/charge, one free focus, and one additional anything with Jack Marshal. The Reaper is also not a bad choice. I can see the effectiveness of the Overseer and I am happy that Cryx finally got one. There are just so many possibilities with him I am going insane!

Again, I think it's counter intuitive to have a stealthed Seether. Buy improving the defensive aspect of the Seether, you give up future threat range....remember the ILO can only move 6" and stealth.
I am insane with anger

so having the overseer with scaverous gives the bennefit of:

saving 1 focus
1 additional darkfire on feat turn
reach attack
stealth for the reaper
possibly more boosts for the reaper from darkfire collected souls

so for 5 points (with a siren) you are saving scaverous 2 focus a turn to either camp or cast with.

so going through im actually not as down on this lil guy as i thought i would be, or as i had been previously...
(although he is rather annoying to assemble... why couldnt they just make the entire tail 1 piece??

Don't forget, you advertise as if he can do all that at the same time, but at least for stealth and darkfire, he can't.
The cost also has to include the jack you are Marshalling, so it's not 'just' 5 points.

How about activations orders, and the misc things to keep in mind etc, in a timed environment.
Then there's the Command Range to keep mindful of to benefit from Marshalling, and if you want the Caster to pick up teh jack after the ILO dies, you need to be mindful of his distance from the Autonomous jack.

[drachenfels]

ok so i ran the list i posted at the beginning today... ended up facing another cryx caster/player....

System: Warmachine
Faction: Cryx
Casters: 1/1
Points: 35/35
Pirate Queen Skarre (*6pts)
* Deathripper (4pts)
* Seether (9pts)
* Slayer (6pts)
* Skarlock Thrall (2pts)
Satyxis Raiders (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts)
* Satyxis Raider Sea Witch (2pts)
The Withershadow Combine (5pts)
Pistol Wraith (3pts)
Satyxis Raider Captain (2pts)


so yes, knowing what skarre and raiders could do... this was going to get interesting since my leage jack wasnt actually in my battlegroup and couldnt be backlashed!

so we setup as would be appropriate, i set my reaper right across from his sideby side heavies, overseer behind, with a node near them, and a siren, scaverous not to far away to the side, and the banes lines up across from his combine , and my combine behind everything to act as more of a support roll (or so i thought)
his raiders then advance deployed across from the banes in their path (as i assumed they would)

he was going first, so prettymuch everything ran straight forward...
My turn i powerboost and run a node over to the raiders, then scaverous blasts an excarnate at the sea witch that there was just the tinniest line of sight to, and makes a new bane first turn (this would be a continuing trend of sorts...), then with no other decent targets decides he wants to play tank and puts deathward on himself
banes moved up for blocking with a few out front, then the rest behind past freestrike range with tartarus behind and to the side.
reaper advanced straight forward, so did his master and both got stealth.
everyone/thing else just shuffled

his turn he advances, skarlock kills a raider, skarre casts dark guidance then 3 raiders went into the node, the node collapsed dead and scaverous took 3 damage from backlash, and he killed 2 of the front banes with the 3rd passing tough.
his heavies and node advanced forward again cautiously not wanting the banes to go over and smash them

my turn, no focus to anything. free Deathward
measure stuff
smile
siren powerboosts reaper
reaper stands still, powerbooster boost to hit the enemy node, hits, marshal bonus to damage, drags it in... but then misses... which was fine.
my node moves prepping for scaverous turn
scaverous charges enemy node, boosts to hig, straight dice, smashes some damage on it... but then like a goober smiling ear to ear i forget to feast of worms the clustered raiders through his node... D'OH!! so he sits in a camp...
my combine charges his node, 1 has to run, the other 2 hit and dismantle it into a scavenger (i figured it was the best option at the time) (this trend will continue)
tartarus charges at raiders, moves past 1 to a better thresher location... and fail charges cus i got greedy... so no thresher, and no curse cus i should have cursed first... (wtill would have fail charged because of the angle i had to go at)
so banes start trading with raiders, hitting about 50% of the time, but killing every time they hit.


so his turn he allocates 3 focus to seether... oh no... things gonna get bad...
skarre casts dark guidance
seether charges, targeting the middle withershadow so he would have those 2 and my node in melee... and befor moving we check it... 9.75 from target.... FAIL CHARGE! whew...so he is stranded out there next to the combine with nothing to do...
slayer advances a bit to block skarre
raiders continue to beat on banes who continue with math of being hit 50%, damaged 50% and toughing another 30% of it (was a good game for math)
his raider captain charges in against tartarus and just cracks her whip and rips him in half...
his combine advances as much as possible and tries to darkfire banes, only 1 in range through stealth and does fry 1
his pistol wraith who has been skirting a flank advances and fires shots into the scavenger, hits both innitials doing about 8 total damage, but misses on the deathchill.

my turn... time to feat...
scaverous allocates 3 to his deathripper and keeps the other 4 (free deathward again!)
scaverous starts, feats, TK the seether back and spins it, then fires feast of worms at it and does some chipping damage.
node goes in, eats about half of it
combine walk in and dismantle it... i figured since it would be funny... i pulled a seether out of my box to replace it! lol
next siren powerboosts the reaper, who advances and again boosts hit then damage on his slayer and reels it in, each doing ok damage.
scavenger advances at the pistol wraith pecks him, then flys back to the main combat
banes charge at the withershadow, and continue beating on raiders... miss 2 combine, hit and crush admonia, and raiders are down to just 1 lady now (and their captain)

his turn was rather uneventfull just beating on a couple more banes with stuff, and his slayer limp wristed (no cortex or arms) slapping the reaper and failing.
skarre sits on focus...

my turn the combine move over and dark industry is slayer now, and again (since it was funny and not crucial) i made my own slayer...

i would have continued but he called it and we shook hands

he said afterwards that between he reaper and TK he didnt ever see a good chance to pop his feat. (which is why ne never used it) since to be safe when the seether charged, he would have ended out of control range so wouldnt have benefited from it, and the armor and strength on raiders wasnt needed with what they were fighting either


so post thoughts that are on topic:

I REALLY like the overseer now. that extra focus (especially on scaverous) to allocate elsewhere or just use himself is worth the 3 points, even if i wasnt able to make use of the other abilities as much this game (but it did stop the pistol wraith from shooting at them for a couple turns from stealth)
and with a reaper who does really only need 2 boosts (hit and damage on the harpoon) it is fine, especially with a caster that wants all the focus to himself for spells (scaverous, Denny, eGaspy ect)

[Sanctjud]

No offense, but I can't take that opponents' list seriously if he is saccing raiders for the focus factory.

[drachenfels]

No offense, but I can't take that opponents' list seriously if he is saccing raiders for the focus factory.

in regards to that his list was the ending of a slow grow league, so his starting point was the seether, slayer, ripper, then to 25 he added the full raiders and skarlock, then 30 was the combine, then 35 was the wraith and captain

[DialFforFunky]

I think this report is great, both because of the practical approach you took to gathering info and because it was clear and informative while also staying objective. I'd love to see more reports like this on how the ILO performs 'out there'.


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[drachenfels]

if you like that check out other lists ive posted i tend to give reports similar to this one. (soon i may even start my own blog possibly... probably should)

[Mathai]

The overseer, especially after this report, seems best fitted to a Reaper. Has anyone tried him with Malice yet though? Stealth protecting Malice seems quite worth it as he would be a major target, and even should the overseer die, Malice has his souls to keep him going long enough for the warcaster to pick him up.

[drachenfels]

can't marshal character jacks or orelse people would love marshals (marshaled Deathjack... you can stop drooling anytime now)

[Mathai]

Ahhhh thats why it seemed to good to be true. >.< Learn something new every day.

[Sanctjud]

Why would you want to marshal the Deathjack if you could?

You are not using the Jack points to help out the points cost.
You are missing out on the initial 5 Focus load out.
You are missing out on the caster's spell list.
You are missing out on any battlegroup spells.
Gaining stealth limits the threat range of the Deathjack significantly.

What benefit would you be looking for that would make you drool? Just curious.

[drachenfels]

irregardless of deathjack... im going to continue testing today, this time with a weird venethrax list...

System: Warmachine
Faction: Cryx
Casters: 1/1
Points: 35/35
Lich Lord Venethrax (*6pts)
* Slayer (6pts)
* Skarlock Thrall (2pts)
Satyxis Raiders (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts)
* Satyxis Raider Sea Witch (2pts)
The Withershadow Combine (5pts)
Darragh Wrathe (4pts)
Iron Lich Overseer (3pts)
* Reaper (7pts)
Satyxis Raider Captain (2pts)
Warwitch Siren (2pts)

so for the choices, obviously the main overseer+reaper+ siren combo is there, and since i have a reaper, and a caster with an upkeep, combine joins the party.
after that was the skarlock for sending out soul harvester so venny can camp.
then came the unit... at first i was just going to go with banes again, but then i rethought about it and wanted something faster, and multiple attacks. that put the options at either raiders or witches. and the witches were VERY tempting... but i went with the raiders for their extreme speed and reach, so they could whip deep into the unit to create clouds on his feat turn that they weren't actually standing in.
so with raiders came their seawitch and the captain to push that speed even further.
then i decided that instead of running dragon slayer i would probably want lamentation up for most of the game i added in wrathe for beyond death, and if needed as a surgical knife to go remove unwanted solos.

then came the battle group... for someone that was going to be as greedy for focus as this i was origionally just going to run a stalker and nightwretch. simple, effective, and allows for arking hadokens at faces if needed... but unfortunatly i was short on points... so i looked at cheaper options... nd the only other options were a pair of helldivers... could be usefull i thought... then i remembered i only owned 1... well poop... and any other combination would mean dropping something from the list... probably wrathe... and i really like him... so i went with just a straight up slayer. on his own merit not a bad option... 3 base attacks, good mat... and if needed could have soul harvest tossed on him then either trample or charge into units and send a few souls backwards.

Of all the components of the list, and after their performance last week, i dont think the overseer will be the weak link here, if anything it may be the slayer... and at the last min i may swap him out for the wretch, diver and slaughterborn instead...

[AshenFang]

Let's take a look at something, if you will:
Overseer: 3 points, gives a psuedo focus and stealth..unless casting.
Warwitch: 2 points, in this case, seems to be there simply to provide a focus, though we all know she has other nice tricks.
Reaper: 7 points, the focus of the above attention, harpoon for hopes.

A total of 12 points, that's the price of the Deathjack.. for that many points you could have taken... well, the Deathjack!

Deathjack: 12 points. 2 free focus as long as he has his arms which covers both the resources granted by the ILO and the Warwitch, can gain more if gorging himself on the living or can heal himself from these souls. Can cast spells, also taking advantage of Scaverous feat. Far more survivable than a reaper, especially so when you toss +2 arm his way it's rather amusing to see people struggle with taking him down. In battle group, for Scaverous this doesn't matter unless you decide.."You know what.. this turn I don't need all my focus" ..you have the option of giving it focus, where as with the ILO you do not. And then there's the mentioned Autonomous thing should someone care to kill the ILO.

..I guess it comes down to I can't fathom any of our jacks being worth +3 points.. let alone +5 points for the little, yes, little they are given in return. If I so dearly need that 2 focus, I'll allocate it.. while charging in with my Min unit of Banes that I otherwise got with those 5pts.

Reading through your report, to me it didn't seem like the points stacked on the Reaper did much, reeled an arcnode in and a slayer, each time sounds like it did.. moderate damage. I'm sure more happened outside what could be accounted for in a write up, but I doubt I'll ever be able to see a time where the ILO's points wouldn't better be spent elsewhere.

[drachenfels]

1) reaper has a longer threat range than DJ
2) self sufficient reaper synergizes with other models allowing you to remove problems without over extending
3) allows greedy casters to keep as much focus as possible while still accomplishes the above
4) deathjack is a costly model, while the models for this package do come to about the same total cost, they are much more flexible.


SOOOOO....
back to the results from todays game... this time against cygnar, again in killbox.

System: Warmachine
Faction: Cygnar
Casters: 1/1
Points: 35/35
Lieutenant Allister Caine (*6pts)
* Ironclad (7pts)
* Squire (2pts)
Arcane Tempest Gun Mages (Leader and 5 Grunts) (6pts)
* Arcane Tempest Gun Mage Officer (2pts)
* * Cyclone (9pts)
Stormblade Infantry (Leader and 5 Grunts) (5pts)
* Stormblade Infantry Officer & Standard (3pts)
Eiryss, Angel of Retribution (3pts)
Journeyman Warcaster (3pts)
Stormsmith Stormcaller (1pts)


so as you can see possibly a VERY bad matchup... guns that can see through stealth, disruption, focus removal, and guns... lots of guns...


so today i got pics of things... so starting here was deployment... he went first

he also had the stormcaller behind the building with Eiryss to me left hand side of the wall
i put the raiders where they would be as safe as possible from gunny doom near forest and assault eiryss if she didnt vacate that area, and everything else where they could benefit from the wall.

he went first

so stuff moved onto the hill, cain sniped the cyclone who put down dualcovering fire, and eiryss did GTFO back where it was safe.
and the rest of his stuff advanced behind the covering fire where raiders couldnt get them.

my first...

advanced stuff up to wall, overseer set out stealth, wrathe put beyond death, skarlock put soul harvest (which i used so poorly all game), and venny put up lamentation to force cain to stay asfar back as possible.
raiders advanced into forest to claim cover and sit at def 18 against shooting.
their captain did run out of cover tho to act as bait

his second turn

again dual covering fire, arcane shield on stormblades, who then assaulted stuff, but failed on all attacks...
(not pictured) his stormcaller moved up and fried the raider captain. as i expected.

continued...

[drachenfels]

my turn

upkept lamentation and soul collector, no allocations
raiders declared select charges, 2 going into the stormcaller, but unfortunatly charged out of command range so couldn't hit him... they did past their command test tho. one other did a random charge hoping the squire was within 2" of the corner but fail charged (he was about 2.5)
after that the skarlock moved over, threw a bloodrain at the stormblades, hitting a middle one, and catching 6 in the blast killing only 1 i think... but corroding them all. next the overseer activated and failed to kill the officer with a darkfire, but causing damage then his reaper activated, walked over the wall and stabbed 2 to death.
after that the siren powerboosted the slayer who than ran out of admonia's way who moved up to disbind the arcane shield, and did 1 damage to the journeyman, then tremulious fired his darkfire and missed, but malev showed them how it was done and stole a soul.
After that Venny feated, and did nothing else... stuff was gonna die...
wrathe then advanced, killed a storm, put up beyond death with battle wizard, then fast cav back to be just a sliver behind the hill.

his turn started... and then they all exploded!!



again he set out the dualcovering fire forcing the raiders to stay in their forest, the stormcaller walked away from the aimless raiders and attempted to kill one with lightning
all the gunmages took snipe shots at the reaper, but between sitting in the cloud, and only pow 10 they only managed a total of 1 point of damage...
arcane shield went on his ironclad as he tried to regroup while it played bodyguard for cain blocking the slayer

and then fun stuff happened...

again upkept stuff, no allocations, just simple beginnings
reaper is powerboosted, then advances, fires a double boosted harpoon at the ironclad, and smashes and drags it in, doing a decent amount of damage for it being arm21.
after that the slayer walked up, and combo striked it, and dice+1 did a good chunk of damage. then combine charged and dismantles the rest of the ironclad... unfortunately due to positioning admonia couldnt get in there for dark industries. ohwell.
afterwards overseer advances and puts up stealth
Seawitch moves and tries to fire at the squire... and misses (damn lil bugger)
then to end the turn wrath runs and engages all of the gun mages. (he was actually up on the crest of the hill but was placed bellow cus he couldnt balance properly)

continued...

[drachenfels]

his turn...

he advances the stormcaller, and does some damage to admonia taking her down to 1
cain advances, feats, catches all but 2 raiders, the overseer, reaper, slayer and the combine
only manages to hit 1 of the raiders (needing 10's t hit), and does some meager damage to the reaper and slayer... but since he doesnt have truesight the rest of the combine and overseer are fine.
afterwards he casts his spell and slams the reaper backwards, but only 1", does minimal damage and doesnt kill either of the combine!! wow....
then casts teleport to get back behind the building in shame and fear.
gunmages surround wrath but cant do anything
cyclone again sets dual fire to protect cain from raiders running into place.
eiryss and the journeyman both fire at the knocked doen slayer and do more damage taking out its left arm disrupting it... well it aint doing much next turn...


my turn

this time the overseer blasts a darkfire at the stormcaller and eats his soul
afterwards the reaper was powerboosted, then advanced and again fires a doubleboosted harpoon at the cyclone and reels him in too! hits with the driver, but fails to damage, uses the stormcallers soul and buys annother and does some damage.
afterwards again the combine charge in and dismantle annother jack but cant dark industries without admonia's blueprints...
with him gone so go his dual covering fire, and allows the raiders to run out and engage eiryss, the journeyman, squire, gunmage captain, and have the seawitch at the corner of the building.
this turn feeling rather safe with eiryss occupied venny walks forward, drops lamentation and sets up Dragon Slayer.
Wrathe also kills a gunmage and battlewizards up beyond death so they have no chance in hurting him, and with his mat freestrikes are very much bound to hit and kill.


his turn

gunmage dood actually stabs the raider to death! whod have thought?
Eiryss risks 2 freestriked from raiders to move out, but only to misjudge distance and get caught in the reapers range preventing her from shooting venny.
jorneyman stabs a raider
cains tands still and shoots a couple raiders

my turn

venny camps 6, with dragon slayer and runs to engage cain
raiders charged as best they could, 2 of them killed the squire, 2 killed the journeyman, and 4 combined with the seawitch and missed eiryss... drat... horns missed afterwards aswell... double drat...
powerboosted reaper, reaper boosts an attack at eiryss, misses, buys one with marshal, no boost and hits (figures) killing her outright and her soul being taken by malevolous
combine move up, trem puppets his leader, who on now on the hill fires a boosted fire at the dood, hits, dice+ doesnt boost damage with his second soul, and dood is left alive with a box still... should have boosted... and i just realised now i forgot to use the puppetmaster reroll... ohwell... i did remember after making the attack to force them to test for terror, which they failed. so it was fine.


continued...

[drachenfels]

his turn

cain moves around, attempts to slam venny, but even with a boost he missed... he camped with 1 focus...
gunmages rallied

end of game

raiders advanced
4 man cma with the seawitch - misses
normal 4man cma - boxcars, hit and knocks him down
that was all that was needed. with venny standing there with 6 focus and dragon slayer up, there was no chance for him to live.

and venny said "YOUR SOUL IS MINE!!"
the end


and once again, loved the overseer here. kept focus on venny to sit as high as possible so he didnt get sniped out by cain slowly, while still operating at as high as it needs to (2 boosts on the harpoon) inorder to setup the rest of the moves.

and as for what i said earlier... i actually do like the slayer here... just the simple ability to walk in with mat7 ps22 is nice... simple, effective for softening targets for the combine makign them pretty much a guarantee (in the past i have failed to solo kill heavies)

[Sanctjud]

Venny wasn't really engangered, so that 1 focus for the Reaper if not for the ILO isn't so bad. Edit, you are correct it is two focus, but with the wall, he's not in any real danger. But vs eLylyth and lack of feat smoke wall, I'd be all for all the focus saving.
But I did like your usage of him, Pew pews when he needs to.

Putting the jack so far up with Reaper/WSC on the otherside is just lolcakes. XD

Also, you guys still rocking SR2011?

[drachenfels]

no just wasnt bothering with 2012 for that game.

also dont forget that if venny feeds it focus it isnt just 1, since then it cant be powerboosted. he has to feed it both focus.

[jking_3rd]

Swan here. After reviewing your Battle Report, it is my opinion that your Cygnar player didn't know the capabilities of his army. Which is kind of a shame when trying to field test the abilities of your new model, the Overseer. (Bada$$ sculpt!)

1) Caine is meant to be played aggressively moving forward shooting, then retreating w/ Teleport (2 Focus). W/ the Cyclone's covering fire, he could have been much more aggressive rather than waiting for you to come to him.
2) Also the ATGM, w/ their high Def. but low Arm should never be bunched up (especially vs. Cryx & your nasty AoEs) like that, nor should they stay back either.
3) Stormsmith was wasted on your units rather than going after your arc nodes or heavier jacks to keep them from doing anything too damaging.
4) Stormblades are never the "first wave" as he played them.

I'm still excited to learn more about the new Wrath Overseer. I just don't think this BR is a good representation of its capabilties.

[drachenfels]

1) possible, but with the slayr and venethrax able to walk through covering fire without caring to much, it did force him to stay rather far back

2) only 1 aoe in the army in the form of a short range spell, with no nodes and the skarlock was on the other side of the table

3) slayer doesnt need focus, reaper was marshaled, and no arcnode (also sirens powerbooster removes disruption)

4) he didnt have much else to use as a first wave, he could have come up more aggressivly witht he jacks first, but with the raiders there and only having arm 18 on them, the raiders start causing allot of early backlash damage Cain.



or atleast that is how i saw it from my side of the table.

[milothewise]

Thanks for advocating and trying out this bugger. Could not wrap my head around the 3 points for a while, but the fact that he has Dark Fire may earn him a spot in my Scaverous list.

[Crate123]

Show us more!
I really like that you are giving this guy a go and it sounds like he has performed well for you so far. Now if I hadnt pledged myself to only buy the cryx models I like the look of I might be getting him. He is pretty ugly.

[drachenfels]

I shall continue with the testing as best i can, but probably not this coming weekend, as i have been specifically challenged and have a different caster and gameplan in mind for that battle. I MAY be able to get a game or 2 in tomorrow tho, but no promises.

also as i hinted at in my first post, go out and try him yourself! im only 1 man!! proxy him and see how ya do, ya may be surprised.

[Dracon]

YES!
At long last, someone is brave enough t step up to the plate and do something no one else was willing to do!
And doing it well!
All hail Drachenfells, bravest of men, conquerer of all, and ruler of o- called 'horrible' models!
Now, Drachenfells, I propose that you make everything perform to it's potential, and show all the true power of the nightmare empire!

[zyxx]

has anyone tried to proxy Desecrator with the ILO? Mayhaps run it up a flank with T.Sauce and/or some banes? Throwing out a 4" AoE that blocks LoS, sounds feasible with the free focus the Desecrator will receive... 2 if you have a WWS nearby...

[Gamingdevil]

Throwing out a 4" AoE that blocks LoS, sounds feasible with the free focus the Desecrator will receive... 2 if you have a WWS nearby...

I don't have my book on me, but as I recall, Scather only deals damage and is not a cloud, therefor does not block LoS. Also, SPD5 seems a bit slow for a flanking force.

[Dracon]

Yeah, maybe not a flanking force, but he has a point. I'm just theory machining here, but it could be a good idea for a terminus dark swarm army, or, well, any caster that runs a bagillion banes and uses a ton of focus...

[NEoJoe]

Drachenfels is my hero.

[Drzombieface]

Best results I've had for my overseer(s) is Scavengers. After running a birdy in the midline with his Overseer, I've had them on several occasions "Finish" (see what I did there?) off a light or heavy warjack that my banes barely failed to kill. I like running my heavies with my caster, just because if they need the focus they can get it, and I wouldn't dedicate much focus to a Scavenger anyway, so that marshal pseudo- focus does the job fine. I've almost tried every other jack minus the deathchickens (for obvious reasons) with my Overseers, and the Reaper is the one I've yet to use, since the only time I'm playing a Reaper is in lists that don't make room for Overseers. I'll give it a shot this week at my LGS, but after running ILO + Scavenger as a cheaper clean up/support crew for banes, I can't recommend the combo enough.