O Iron Lich Overseer where art thou?

[Darxyd]

Don't forget the mariner needs a living model to load.

Your right...and it makes total sense: You see, that is why the Cryx lack the ranged weapon capability of the other factions--the undead don't know how to load their firearms (or reload the ones that they shoot.) I guess I should have seen that one coming--Seriously, I have never seen a zombie movie where the zombies fired guns at the living people. Good thing too!--I'd hate to be outmanned and outgunned during a zombie apocalypse.

[lululu_42]

you obviously haven't seen Land of the Dead or day of the dead by Romero

[AshenFang]

When he was first soiled/shown in Wrath, this conversation occured, for every model of course, and for this particular guy, except for a few that thought they could find some use for him, it was largely decided that he was just..useless.

The thing about most jack marshalls.. let's look at a good one, Thor for the Dwarves.. ..he makes his jack AMAZING, on top of doing the normal JM stuff, and he has good synergy with his Warcasters spells as well (At least Madhammer with Redline)

Back to the ILO, let's just break down his badness:
- Takes jacks out of Battle Group, the majority of our casters that care about jacks at all, demand them to be in the Battlegroup.
- Costs 3 points, so while you are thinking "He can make this jack better in this way" ..make sure you think of that jack now as 3 pts more.. want to toss a witch in with it? Now 5pts more....
- He himself is pretty useless, 360 sight? A spear attack? The one thing he does do, if he gets in close to get himself killed, is grab souls, which unfortunately we most likely would rather have elsewhere.. Deathjack, Harrower, Warcaster.

There is no good use for this guy, in every way his points are better spent elsewhere. The only time I'd even think.. "Well... I guess an ILO..?" ..is at the 75 point level, where I have little choice to spend points on anything else.. (Yet still then, I'm sure I could find a better place to put my points.)

[Warlordtheft]

But then a Ravagore shot scatters 1" and he boosts damage and dies to Fire...great :-/
Don't tell me it's left up to random scatters, it will happen every time, like a magnet

Now I see why you don't like the Rev Crew and Drudges, you have the curse of the drifting AOE....


Back OT: Picked mine up a few days ago and now he is primed and in training (being painted). Yet to play, but I am looking at him as a spell slinger first and a jackmarshall 2nd. He will need to gather souls to be an effective jack marshall, which is is ok. But for 2 points I can effectively do what he does with the warwitch siren (whose spell is a spray, and has another ability. Sure he has 8 wounds buy he'll be up front. Now if he had threasher or an AOE that gave him souls...or if left as is was only one point. The problem is that the Warwitch siren can boost, and remain stealthed all the while the jack remains in the battle group (so you could allocate focus if needed).

[Thamarite Merc]

Well, he has kind of tresher against living. As long as he keeps killing, he gets souls to buy more attacks. And once he fails, his jack charges in, kills more, puts more souls on the ILO and keeps killing.(assuming his jack is a Reaper, who has Reach himself, at least). Against living grunts, you can pick the 2" around the ILO pretty clean.
And about being killed by AoE's.... ARM 16 and 8 boxes means even a boosted POW 8 blast needs to roll extraordinairly well to take the ILO out of the game.

[Bloaties Pizza Thrall]

I just picked up this model today and was really hoping to get some use out of it.

My thoughts were running it with Scaverous, Malice, and WSC and not have any jack attached to the ILO. The idea would be to use the Malice + WSC to get a jack, then have the ILO walk up and make it part of his group. This way, I'm not dumping points into him and possibly wasting them. He's only there to buff whatever I can make. Before I make the jack, I'd use him to try and shoot down some solos with dark fire and stack up some souls before he can get a jack to use them with.

[Sanctjud]

I just picked up this model today and was really hoping to get some use out of it.

My thoughts were running it with Scaverous, Malice, and WSC and not have any jack attached to the ILO. The idea would be to use the Malice + WSC to get a jack, then have the ILO walk up and make it part of his group. This way, I'm not dumping points into him and possibly wasting them. He's only there to buff whatever I can make. Before I make the jack, I'd use him to try and shoot down some solos with dark fire and stack up some souls before he can get a jack to use them with.

Dark Industries is rare enough, now wanting to 'take up' said jacks once in a while...interesting, good for back pocket I guess...but I can only see that as being a long term benefit. If you are using Dark Industries...then you are likely winning already, which makes it a moot point what gets to marshall the autonomous jack.

...and then there is the $17.99 :-/

[drachenfels]

I just picked up this model today and was really hoping to get some use out of it.

My thoughts were running it with Scaverous, Malice, and WSC and not have any jack attached to the ILO. The idea would be to use the Malice + WSC to get a jack, then have the ILO walk up and make it part of his group. This way, I'm not dumping points into him and possibly wasting them. He's only there to buff whatever I can make. Before I make the jack, I'd use him to try and shoot down some solos with dark fire and stack up some souls before he can get a jack to use them with.

i was in the same situation. being a collector i had to buy him, and since i did im gonna force myself to use him atleast a few times... see this thread for my results and further testing with him

http://privateerpressforums.com/show...-Lich-Overseer

[Bloaties Pizza Thrall]

i was in the same situation. being a collector i had to buy him, and since i did im gonna force myself to use him atleast a few times... see this thread for my results and further testing with him

http://privateerpressforums.com/show...-Lich-Overseer

Yeah, I'm liking the model a lot. Just need to finagle it into a better pose. He's being disagreeable.

[Corpazious]

Deneghra, a Warwitch Siren, and the ILO marshaling a Leviathan is absolutely awesome!
Yes it's "expensive", but the board effect is well worth it.

[Warlordtheft]

I just picked up this model today and was really hoping to get some use out of it.

My thoughts were running it with Scaverous, Malice, and WSC and not have any jack attached to the ILO. The idea would be to use the Malice + WSC to get a jack, then have the ILO walk up and make it part of his group. This way, I'm not dumping points into him and possibly wasting them. He's only there to buff whatever I can make. Before I make the jack, I'd use him to try and shoot down some solos with dark fire and stack up some souls before he can get a jack to use them with.

I was just thinking that black spot might make him more viable. He charges in, attacks, kills the model and gets a soul token. Black spot goes off, he kills another model, Spends 1 soul token, kills a model, gets a soul toke, black spot goes off, he kills a model, gets a soul token, etc, etc till no targets within 2". Then the marshalled jack has 3 soul tokens to draw from. A levi in this situation could be fun as you could effectively allocate 4 focus to it (with a warwitch siren). But I think the real winner would be the harrower, who could charge, thresher, then go to town. The more I think about it, the more the harrower looks to be the better marshalled jack. Especially since that is one of the most focus effecient jacks we have outs there.

[PG_LawofThirds]

The only downside is that you're looking at 13 points AND you don't have the option of feeding the harrower 3 focus for when you REALLY REALLY need to kill something heavier. The new desecrator might be a good option, being able to get up to 2 real and 1 pseudo focus without much trouble. The only downside is that the desecrator isn't particularly good in the first place and it wants to be as far forward as possible.

What about a stalker/scavenger? An overseer and a stalker can hold up a flank pretty well, being able to scalpel out important solos and take a decent amount to get rid of themselves.

Cryx's non-jack shooting is pretty much magic or nothing and it's all range 10 or worse. I can't discount immediately a 3 point solo that brings a gun, solid melee and a solid defensive line to get him within range.

[Barrynstein]

Would marshaling a stalker negate the extended control range. Example Skarre1 casts Dark Guidance, would that no longer have an affect on the Stalker since it is not in her battle group (I know it is not a battle group spell, but I really dig running a stalker at 20 inches out and still getting that additional die)?

[Sanctjud]

Would marshaling a stalker negate the extended control range. Example Skarre1 casts Dark Guidance, would that no longer have an affect on the Stalker since it is not in her battle group (I know it is not a battle group spell, but I really dig running a stalker at 20 inches out and still getting that additional die)?

You are correct.

As said multiple times, if you use Casters with battlegroup spells, you'll need to take that into consideration when you marshal a jack with the ILO.
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Levi + ILO + Siren is 14 points. Only thing I can say that is relatively positive is that I would only suggest this combo at 50 points so you have some breathing room.

[PG_LawofThirds]

You'd lose the extended range on dark guidance since it says "when checking to see if this model is in it's controller's control range".

Stalker or scavenger+ ILO with scaverous or one of our casters like venethrax or P Gaspy might be a viable option.

[Barrynstein]

You are correct.

Well that means no point in running a stalker/ILO with Skarre1, don't want to run it with Terminus for the soul competition, wouldn't run it with the Denny's in anything smaller than 50 points. Might squeeze it in with Gaspy in a 50 point game ... so I'd never run it because I so rarely get to play 50 point games and those are the casters I own.