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Melodica256
09-02-2015, 11:22 AM
My enemy surrounds my model with a unit of Bastions. Then, he places the others behind the ones surrounding my model. Basically there is a 2-unit thick layer around my model. They have reach. He starts his attacks. He claims that his bastion in the second layer can attack also. He is the 2" away so reach will work. However he is trying to attack through a 1/2" gap (smaller than the models base and the model itself). Does the attack work?

Grey Templar
09-02-2015, 11:27 AM
Your question is vague.

If a model has another model in its melee range and has line of sight to the model it can make a melee attack against it. The melee distance and line of sight also do NOT have to be drawn over the same line.

Models can block line of sight, depending on the specifics of the situation. More info is required.

SageofLodoss
09-02-2015, 11:39 AM
Line of Sight to the target and being within melee reach are all that matters. Angles, vectors, and gaps are irrelevent until they potentially involve Line of Sight, but the line they draw to achieve Line of Sight does not have to be the same as the line alongwhich you measured the melee range, and melee range is based on exact distance, not measured along a line of sight.

In other words, if your model was on large base, so the Bastions don't block line of sight to it at all, the Bastions in the back could actually attack your model 'through' the other bastions just fine.

mageracer
09-02-2015, 11:42 AM
Your question is vague.

If a model has another model in its melee range and has line of sight to the model it can make a melee attack against it. The melee distance and line of sight also do NOT have to be drawn over the same line.

Models can block line of sight, depending on the specifics of the situation. More info is required.

1. Your model is a small or medium base, the front line of Bastions are base to base with each other, there is no line of sight to your model from the back row. Nobody in the back row can attack.

2. Your model is a small or medium base, the front line of Bastions are not base to base with each other, any model in the back row that can draw any line of sight to your model and has any part of its base within 2" can attack you.

3. Your model is on a large or huge base, everyone can always draw line of sight to you through smaller bases so anyone within 2" can attack you.

Grey Templar
09-02-2015, 11:55 AM
Line of Sight to the target and being within melee reach are all that matters. Angles, vectors, and gaps are irrelevent until they potentially involve Line of Sight, but the line they draw to achieve Line of Sight does not have to be the same as the line alongwhich you measured the melee range, and melee range is based on exact distance, not measured along a line of sight.

In other words, if your model was on large base, so the Bastions don't block line of sight to it at all, the Bastions in the back could actually attack your model 'through' the other bastions just fine.


Exactly.

If your model was a small or medium base, the medium based bastions will block los to each other if drawing los to the small/medium based model.

If it was a large or huge based model, the bastions cannot block LoS to the model from each other.

Also note the base size of the model drawing the line of sight does not matter. All that matters is the base size of the model's potentially in the way and the base size of the model you are drawing line of sight to.

You could easily have the situation with a heavy jack where all 5 bastions can see the jack, but the jack can only see 3 of the bastions as 2 of them are blocked by the others in front.