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kerizul
07-29-2010, 03:33 PM
How does self sacrifice interact with abilities that remove enemy models from play through damage or (if treated differently) abilities that add grunts to a unit when enemy models are killed and RFP? Some specific examples I'm thinking of are:

Dire Troll snacking
Tartarus making banes (can't recall the ability name)
Lich Lord Asphyxious' spell Excarnate
Sea Dog Press Gangers
Revenant Cannon Crew

Thanks.

Revvy
07-29-2010, 03:49 PM
How does self sacrifice interact with abilities that remove enemy models from play through damage or (if treated differently) abilities that add grunts to a unit when enemy models are killed and RFP? Some specific examples I'm thinking of are:

Dire Troll snacking
Tartarus making banes (can't recall the ability name)
Lich Lord Asphyxious' spell Excarnate
Sea Dog Press Gangers
Revenant Cannon Crew

Thanks.
Self-sacrifice completely circumvents abilities that occur on the destruction of a Model.

kerizul
07-29-2010, 03:57 PM
What about Critical Nom Nom (consume)? Does that bypass destruction and go straight to RFP?

Blaque
07-29-2010, 04:01 PM
All the effects in the original post happen on Boxed. Since the Self-Sacrifice effect happens on Disabled, it happens before Boxed ever comes into play. This is part of the normal damage order of operations of Disabled/Boxed/Destroyed.

Critical Consume occurs on hit, before a model is ever disabled. And thus, circumvents Self-Sacrfice

And stuff.

TheUnknownMercenary
07-29-2010, 04:02 PM
The model is destroyed by self-sacrifice and not by an enemy attack. Self-Sacrifice states that when a model is disable by an enemy attack, you choose a non-disabled model in the unit to be destroyed instead. You then heal the original model 1 point. Models go through 3 stages of when they take enough damage to fill up their damage boxes. The stages are in this order: Disabled, Boxed and Destroyed. If something stops a model from being in a certain stage, like being healed, then it will not make it to the latter stages.
So the original model becomes Disabeld and you trigger Self-Sacrifice, and the original model heals 1 point. The original model never becomes Disabled or Destroyed. The other non-disabled model that you choose with Self-Sacrifice, actually skips over the Disabled and Boxed stages and just goes right to Destroyed.
All of the abilities you described have to have the original target be at a certain step.
Snacking: Triggers on original target being boxed. Since you used Self-Sacrifice, the original target never gets to the Boxed stage.
Death Toll (Bane LOrd Tartarus' ability): Triggers on original target being destroyed. Again Self-Sacrifice and the original target never gets to Destroyed step.
Excarnate: Triggers on original target being boxed same as Snacking.
Shanghai (Press Gangers): Triggers on original target being boxed same as Snacking.
Damnation (Revenant Cannon Crew): Triggers on original target being boxed same as Snacking.