View Full Version : Agonizer Spirtual Afflication vs Avatar

07-11-2011, 10:56 AM
Is the Agonizer able to prevent focus allocation on the Menoth Avatard?

07-11-2011, 11:03 AM
No, because the avatar is not allocated focus

07-11-2011, 11:05 AM
The Avatar cannot be allocated focus; it receives focus.
Agonizers do nothing to prevent gaining focus through non-allocated means.

07-11-2011, 11:05 AM
Nope because the Avatar of Menoth's Holy Vessel rule itself states it has no cortex, cannot be allocated focus (which is part of what the Agonizer's Spiritual Affliction will do), and it receives d3+1 focus points during the allocation step of the Control Phase (which is not allocation).

07-11-2011, 12:32 PM
I assumed as much and will readily agree, based on RAW, but has this been made official as perhaps RAI may interpret it much differently.

Thanks for the response guys!

07-11-2011, 12:39 PM
It's official because there is an official distinction between "allocating focus" and other means of acquiring focus. If something only prevents allocation, that is literally the only form of focus acquisition it inhibits.

07-11-2011, 12:50 PM
A similar example would be the Deathjack and the Seether. The Deathjack receives two focus automatically from its Skulls of Hate. Further, it can convert soul tokens to focus. Neither of these abilities are affected by the Agonizer, although the Agonizer can prevent normal focus allocation to the DJ.

Seether, on the other hand, is allocated one free focus by its ability. This, therefore, is subject to all of the usual requirements: needs a functioning cortex, 'jack not be disrupted, etc. The Agonizer can absolutely stop the Seether from receiving its free focus.

07-11-2011, 02:09 PM
OK cool. Thanks Again guys!